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Tue, Dec. 20th, 2005, 11:39 am
Ah..

I've been hearing bad news after bad news this week. ie. ANWR drilling passes attached to defense spending bill. Finally a turnaround in the bad news week.

"Court rejects 'intelligent design' in class" Way to go Pennsylvania.

Now.. about this spying on Americans thing...
1. If only international calls were tapped, then I don't see an issue with the NSA doing it.
2. I would prefer that it had gone through the court process.
3. Even if it was illegal, W can just pardon the people.

Now, the big question.. is it legal for W to order people to do something illegal? Can he just pardon himself? I know the congress will not take action against him. Boy, do we need a regime change.

Tue, Dec. 20th, 2005 06:39 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)

ANWR drilling...yahoo!!! Need oil for gas for fast car 1 and fast car 2 and fast boat!!!

And what do you mean "regime change"...did you not watch his speech to the Nation Sunday evening...it was absolutely fantastic! Do you think that there is a chance that he can push through an amendment to allow third terms? One can only wish.

George is right up there with the Greats...Reagan, Nixon, and George senior.

Tue, Dec. 20th, 2005 07:49 pm (UTC)
lawful_evil

Time to lay off the drugs before they pull your security clearance.

Tue, Dec. 20th, 2005 09:26 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)

Would that be - Adverse Information ? Adverse information is defined as any information that reflects adversely on the loyalty, integrity and character of an employee who holds a security clearance... Examples of this type of information may include: criminal activities; bizarre or notoriously disgraceful conduct; excessive use of alcohol; use, possession or sale of illegal drugs; excessive indebtedness; and/or membership in organizations which seek to alter the form of government of the United States by unconstitutional means. Oh boy... I’m in trouble... lets see... 1) notoriously disgraceful conduct: GUILTY (I'll take the 5th). 2) excessive use of alcohol: GUILTY (well...need to quantify excessive). 3) excessive indebtedness: GUILTY. 4) membership in organizations which seek to alter the form of government: GUILTY (The NRA). the only one i'm truly clean on is the one you referred to... use, possession or sale of illegal drugs; and this is not Norm... I'm using his computer to frame him.

Tue, Dec. 20th, 2005 07:11 pm (UTC)
pfloyd

If the President could pardon himself, then Nixon would have done it, and not relied on Ford to do so.

Wed, Dec. 21st, 2005 12:31 pm (UTC)
dauphinous

A president can't pardon himself. I don't think he can pardon a vice president, either.
I was under the impression that when a superior officer orders a suboridnate to do something illegal, it is the same as commiting the illegal act that he orders. Which is why we look for the guy who issued the orders when the military does illegal stuff, like torturing prisoners.

Wed, Dec. 21st, 2005 12:38 pm (UTC)
lawful_evil

In the military, an officer is responsible for the actions of his/her underlings(even if they act without authorization). I'm not sure that applies to everything.

If I tell Mark that he can kick Bill, which would be illegal assault, I don't think I can be charged. Mark should have known it was illegal and so he takes responsibility for his own actions.

Wed, Dec. 21st, 2005 01:51 pm (UTC)
ryoga77

What if Mark was mentally incapacitated and didn't know what was wrong and right? Not that Mark is retarded...

Wed, Dec. 21st, 2005 12:59 pm (UTC)
dauphinous

And incidentally, it was a FEDERAL judge that rejected "intelligent design".